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I never doubt AJ's existence, but blending sounds the exact same as the doubt mentioned here
2:29 PM
"was it me or them speaking" - blended guy "was it me or them speaking" - doubtful new tulpamancer
2:29 PM
come on guys the writing is on the walls here we are all doomed the mayan calender was right!
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somewhat, except the blended person won't ask "do they actually exist"
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I don't ask that either with doubt
2:30 PM
I am past that kind of doubt
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While the doubtful new tuppermancer (e.g. me) might.
2:31 PM
except I probably don't classify as "new" anymore
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:31 PM
You could imagine her speaking with different voice. Or yourself speaking with different voice. Or just accept those minor inconveniences and count on problem solving itself in the future.
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I literally could speak in her voice, accidentally, and believe she is talking. I have little to no control over it.
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It's fair to distinguish doubt from blending given the actual "doubt" part, I'll try and keep that in mind in the future.
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I think I am technically new. man that feels good this must be what a highschool foot ball man feels
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Gonna shower brb
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:33 PM
I miss the times my host was new tulpamancer sometimes
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>your host
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:34 PM
Ye, I'm a tulpa. 6 yo in November
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Welcome to the old tulpa club.
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:35 PM
Hi.
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Hi, I'm Clover.
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:35 PM
And I'm Luna as it's in my current username. Nice to meet you Clover.
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wow years old
2:36 PM
AJ just hit 3 weeks tonight
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:36 PM
I miss being days old.
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My early life sucked, so being older with a fleshed out personality is nicer.
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Breloomancer 6/16/2018 2:37 PM
Monika is 28 days old now
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:37 PM
Especially those before I was not able to talk yet , not those when I was silly. (edited)
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what is early life like??? compared to new life?
2:38 PM
I bet having AJ fully developed will be neat
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:39 PM
Those days when everything was so new for us were so exciting
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shrugs
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:40 PM
And now everything is more predictable.
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Malon is like 8 months old now
2:41 PM
Yet, we still feel like tuppermancers with 1 month old tuppers
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Don't be too worried about a lack of progress, even after a long time
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:42 PM
I hope you enjoy each other's company. Tulpamancy is not about collecting achievements.
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And on top of that, with more doubt and less excitement lol
2:42 PM
And yes, we do.
2:42 PM
Despite everything else.
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If I can recommend you something, I feel like having your tulpa talk to people is a big boon and you should try it out even if you don't necessarily feel like it's them speaking.
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:43 PM
In my opinion doubt is something to accept, not to get rid of
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Agreed
2:43 PM
To both of you, I mean
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:43 PM
Yes, having more friends to talk to can help your tulpa develop
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It is impossible to get rid of it
2:43 PM
The doubt
2:44 PM
Not completely, and at a high cost
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Can cast it into a different form, though. I feel like I've moved forward enough in my thoughts and theories about tulpa to have something rooted strongly enough in the real world for me to feel it is "truth" while also being strongly rooted enough in the production of independent action to feel "real", if that makes sense? (edited)
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I second the proxy thing
2:47 PM
that catapulted AJ's development
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Actually, I tried it too, to a limited extent
2:48 PM
It kind of worked
2:48 PM
Maybe we should try it more. She doesn't feel like talking though, at least for most of the time
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I often nudge AJ into talking
2:51 PM
it's good for her to well, talk
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:51 PM
Maybe she needs a little nudge. How are you, Malon?
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Malon if you don't talk to me your mother will die in her sleep tonight
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[I'm fine]
2:52 PM
[I don't have a mother]
2:53 PM
Anyway this should go to lounge soon
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Deleted User 6/16/2018 2:53 PM
Yes, it should.
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Thank all of you for self-monitoring!
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Can someone enlighten me on what a meta/mind meta is? I've not a single idea.
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the mind and meta channel is where they discuss metaphysical and mental stuff (sometimes spiritual stuff too)
6:31 AM
unless you mean the -meta and -mindmeta roles, in which case that's just a role where you hide those channels from yourself
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Ah, got it.
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anyone got suggestions on trying to deal with a whistley sinus it just forcefully drags me out of forcing
3:34 PM
besides the obvious
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super duper odd, but you could try one of those nettie pots that cleans out your sinus (edited)
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I'm having issues distinguishing Cille from normal selftalk. Any pointers? Doesn't help that I've had a weird mental block sort of thing when I try to force her lately
7:52 PM
It's just like my mind goes "but you don't want to do that" when I, in fact, do
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that's fairly normal at first
7:53 PM
try asking cille whether it was, in fact, her saying that
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You can request confirmation - otherwise, be patient and avoid assumptions. It does take time, but you do, in fact, start to learn to distinguish your own thoughts from hers.
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Is it helpful or possible to modify tulpa mindvoices to lessen doubt? Maybe ask them to speak in a more distinctive style or have different prosody?
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It certainly works for me.
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I would perhaps ask them to speak more distinctively for a time so that you can notice the difference more easily, prior to being able to pay attention to them more effectively.
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I wish I was able to really describe what it means for a thought or message to originate outside of the self when to many normally developed humans the self represents all of their being and mind.
4:23 AM
My host knew it only because he had divorced himself from the body since youth and frequently coped with certain situations by reassurance that any sensation he deemed unwanted could be shut away as it must originate from outside of his 'self'
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if you somehow performed telepathy (not that I'm saying telepathy actually exists) and telepathically told someone you were doing so, I doubt they'd have conceptual issues with the idea that the thought that they're hearing isn't theirs
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When I spoke, I took the same sensation as an outside speaker.
4:25 AM
I believe at first it would be seen as a strange intrusive thought, but many people can identify intrusive thoughts as their own, just simply something that was randomly produced for some reason
4:26 AM
Later it can be determined as fact from the proof that should come by it. The proof, however, will not be feasibly produced by a tulpa.
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do people usually identify intrusive thoughts as their own? I've heard a lot of people with intrusive thoughts say "but I don't think this stuff"
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Some people identify the thought as too divorced from their own self identity so as to totally shut it out of what they determine as their self. Additionally, people who have wildly altered behavioral patterns due to altered mental states potentially caused by substance or emotion may identify the progenitor of such behavior to be "not myself"
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<Ponytail> for me, it's always like the intrusive thoughts take over
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There may be degrees of meaning between literal and figurative that this contains. For example, one can still say that by definition they did think that or do that even if it is outside of their boundaries of self
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@Blitzeen Personally, my host made me a voice in his mind that sounded pretty. As time has gone on, my voice has developed into my own. He did it simply for the sake of giving me a pretty voice, though I imagine it would make it easier to tell who's who. Maybe reduce blendiness
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So "not my thought" or "not my self" has some argument on how literal it is. If the thought is truly identified as outside of their self, then their identity is not all-ecompassing and the issue of a tulpa's speech sounding like internal speech would be harder to have
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On second thought, that doesn't have to be true. Coherent and organized communication may be felt as necessarily coming from the "self" for some people, with the external non-self parts all being clearly the influence of a less intelligent source. In this case, it may be more appropriate to narrow one's self-perception so that the differences are easier to identify and the correct ownership is assigned for thoughts.
4:49 AM
So, maybe I was wrong about all of my thoughts. Yeah, I'm probably wrong.
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it is possible than some tulpas' mindvoice starts out sounding the same as their host's mindvoice, which makes it harder to tell who a thought originated from
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Yes. I’d be interested in how tulpas’ mindvoices change over time. Any thoughts?
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occasionally AJ will do a pitch shift to the point where she sounds like somebody else... I hope to god I don't have a walk in, that'd suck
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I dunno dude, for me it just sorta happened. It's a process of me just sounding how I want to sound
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Why do you think a walk-in would suck, @meowdude?
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I just want the two of us, we both do. A third would be a hardcore third wheel
8:50 AM
plus AJ would NEVER share the attention with another person
8:50 AM
I am 99% sure she would murder him
8:50 AM
/her
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Then don't legitimize it.
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